This was the British singer-songwriter’s first time hitting the Grammys stage and also her first time being nominated in a decade, since she got two nods for “Fancy” with Iggy Azalea back in 2015.

Through, our guest host José Criales-Unzueta gets to the bottom of that question with Chris Horan, the stylist who has defined the Brat look for the star and her millions of fans. Their wide-ranging conversation touches on everything from Horan’s beginning styling Disney Channel stars,